12/07/2008

中国多数网民不支持抵制法货

(福禄祯祥12月7日整理)法国总统萨科齐在北京的强烈K议下仍执意与达赖会面,中国网络民意也被推到了风口浪尖。

强国论坛、天涯和猫眼看人等网络论坛的网民留言显示,虽然也有少数人对北京的强硬立场表示支持,并且号召采取切实的行动报复法国,但多数网民反对北京与法国交恶,不支持抵制法货。更有网民趁此发泄自己生活的困境和不自由。

之所以选取强国论坛、天涯和猫眼看人这三个论坛网民的留言,我认为它们分别聚合了老中青三代网民。我所称的多数或少数,是我个人看到和感觉到的,也许与北京官方媒体所报道的情况不同,但在我眼里这次的网络民意就是如此的“冷静”和“理智”,与今年4月份时明显不同。

网民的意见主要分为下面几类:

网民认为中国政府反应过度,外交部的表态不代表自己的意见,自己不会参与抵制

强国的二红砖:中国正负不可能决定全球的国家首脑是否能不能见某个人。。即使【喜特勒】在最强势时也做不到这点。。哈。自取其辱呀!

天涯的ayomn:激起广大中国人民的强烈不满?对不起,贫民我不在此列。我关心的伟大的zhong国什么时候能百姓买的起房,看得起病,上得起学,有民主,有人权,不“算个屁”。

强国的搬小板凳看热闹:张口闭口中国人民的感情,搞的跟多关心老百姓的感情似的,拿老百姓当个辟的时候想过老百姓的感情么?这会儿跟洋人说人民的感情了,呸!

强国的强大国若烹小鲜03:很少有什么外国人的举动会伤害到我的感情,不知道动不动就说伤害广大中国仁民的感情有什么根据。讨论一下:谁在经常伤害广大中国仁民的感情?
Poorchinese:三块戴表
不忙不闲吃半干半稀:拿偶们当P滴人!
麦田里的农夫:贪官

天涯的加里森敢死队0:有用的时候是“广大中国人民”,没用的时候是“屁”,有副作用的时候是“不明真相的群众在一小撮别有用心...”反正主人们如何是由仆人说了算的。
天涯的疯狂小小兔:自己的利益都没保障,你还抵制,抵制个屁。
强国的Shiganxingbang:连X Z这两个汉字都打不出来,还抵制什么,还生气什么,坐山观虎斗吧。
猫眼看人的cobrasnake:我也不抵制,相比法国,我更恨某些人。

网民认为政府的过激反应是在转移国内矛盾,比如趁机出台燃油税,而网民更在乎国内矛盾和民生问题

天涯的longinus1234:每当一个国家的政治、经济出现重大危机的时候,爱国主义的破旗就又散发出臭味来。-----------------------列宁

强国的唱丧歌的乌鸦:法国,达来,等等等,不过是吸引和转移视线的一个玩偶!各位大打的明白?
留住良心:不找点事让P头脑发热能安宁吗?
普京今年56:乘大家关注法国的时候放出燃油税^_^
天涯的爱地乃司:杀客气会见DL对我们生活影响大呢,还是燃油税对我们生活影响大?
相对而言,我更急着抵制燃油税,可惜抵制大门他吗的都已经关上:(

天涯的alanrisingsun:我只抵制三鹿
强国的莫干山水:抵制不抵制法国货先不管,反正现在国产牛奶是不喝了。
猫眼看人的wycpu:我抵制毒奶.到现在还一点也不买.要是法国的奶我绝对购买。
  
天涯的党员他爹:感谢法国 感谢欧盟 是你们不懈对邪恶的恶霸政府斗争 才让这片土地水深火热的人民没又失去活下去的勇气 希望你们早日发兵 赶走德国代理人如果在欧美支持下,国军在天津登陆,直逼北京,G军会不战而逃,正腐会崩溃!我愿为三民主义带路,为了心中最崇高的信念不怕牺牲。

网民认为中国普通民众穷得根本买不起奢侈的法国货

天涯的周大福弟弟周大生:官太太们正在法国买LV,买奢侈品呢,还抵制,制裁个屁
强国的一斗米:老百姓能抵制得了吗,法国货不是一般老百姓能买得起的,而那些高端精英爱不爱都是个问题,他们大部分都移民了
强国的我对房地产很了解:如果你月收入300元,那恭喜你,你一直在孜孜不倦的抵制法国货。
猫眼看人的有眼有珠:问题是你买的起法国货吗?你用过几件?家乐福里都中国的商品
猫眼看人的sz夜行人:我抵制,因为我买不起!

也有网友担心法国人为报复中国而抵制中国制造

强国的亿万年35:显示法国人民开始行动了,接下来估计欧盟老百姓也将开始抵制了,如果世界人民都起来抵制中国货,怎么办?
强国的叁孔布:咱再说软话呗~哈哈
天涯的笑花007:如果欧美也抵制中国货,我看中国的企业更会死了一大片,屁们,我们的经济有多少是靠出口创汇的?吃饱了,做做俯卧撑,别在这丢人了!印度、越南等国还求之不得你们抵制呢!什么时候你买得起法国货再说抵制

网民更反对采取暴力的极端行动

天涯网友qixiang001发帖称:“反对达赖分裂祖国,为维护民族的尊严,我们不惜流血”引来数百网友冷嘲热讽。

Andywgz:楼主是五毛还是大粪?要流血你自己去流血吧,我活得这么辛苦,不敢流血,去不起医院。
钟为谁而鸣:为中国我愿意流血,但这是为我的祖国。为现政府么我肯定不会愿意。
loveappear:支持楼主流血,吾辈坐等佳音!
愤怒天鹅:楼主快去为祖国流血,俺平时已经被他们吸够了。
三季稻感:你自己去死好了,别“我们”“我们”的
星云majie:我是屁民,不关我事.还是自己去关注解决好自己的生活问题吧.
张小狮子:祖国统一也得看怎么个统一法!建议楼主保重身体,别流血。
冰空:支持楼主!你要是现在把血流完了,明年的清明我会给你烧点钱的
Ylxwinter:偶啥都不知道,偶只是不明真相的群众而已!!

这位网友说的也是实情,因此网络民意并不能代表全部网民的意见

猫眼看人的zz307:所以我对现在的所谓网络民意深感怀疑,顺意可以发表,反对一律屏蔽!(整理/福禄祯祥http://www.fulue.com/

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萨科齐会见达赖(组图)



France's President Nicolas Sarkozy (L) is welcomed by Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama in Gdansk December 6, 2008. Reuters Pictures



France's President Nicolas Sarkozy (L) is greeted by Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama in Gdansk December 6, 2008. Reuters Pictures



France's President Nicolas Sarkozy (R) and Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama meet in Gdansk December 6, 2008. Reuters Pictures



Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama greets European Commission (EC) President Jose Manuel Barroso (L) next to Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk (2nd L) during the 25th anniversary celebrations of former Polish President Lech Walesa's Nobel Peace Prize, at Baltic Philharmonic in Gdansk December 6, 2008. Reuters Pictures

Reuters: Sarkozy defies China with Dalai Lama talks

Sat Dec 6, 2008 11:50pm IST

By Yann Le Guernigou and Gareth Jones

GDANSK, Poland (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy defied China on Saturday by meeting Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama and said Europe shared the Dalai's concerns over the situation in his homeland.

But Sarkozy, whose decision has sparked Chinese nationalist calls for a boycott of French products, also stressed that he regarded Tibet as part of China and said there was no need to "dramatise" his encounter with the Buddhist leader.

"The meeting went very well ... The Chinese authorities knew perfectly well this meeting would take place before the end of the year," Sarkozy told reporters after his talks, which lasted about 30 minutes.

China called off a summit with the European Union last Monday in protest against Sarkozy's plan to meet the Dalai Lama, branded by Beijing as a "splittist" for advocating self-determination for his mountain homeland.

Sarkozy said the Dalai, who welcomed him by draping a 'kata' or traditional Tibetan white scarf on his shoulder, had said at the meeting that he does not seek independence for Tibet. "I told him how much importance I attach to the pursuit of dialogue between the Dalai Lama and the Chinese authorities."

Asked about the situation in Tibet, Sarkozy said: "The Dalai Lama shared with me his worries, worries which are shared in Europe. We have had a wide discussion of this question."

The Dalai Lama and other supporters of Tibetan self-rule say China is strangling the mountain region's cultural and religious traditions and subordinating Tibetans to an influx of Han Chinese migrants and investment, charges Beijing rejects.


STAYING CALM

The two met in the Polish port of Gdansk where they joined 25th anniversary celebrations of Polish pro-democracy leader Lech Walesa's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Playing down any possible negative impact on Sino-French ties, Sarkozy said: "There is no need to dramatise things."

Sarkozy said China and Europe needed each other.

"The world needs an open China which participates in world governance. China needs a powerful Europe which gives work to companies in China. We have the duty to work together," he said.

Beijing's unusually vocal criticism of Sarkozy's plan to meet the Dalai Lama is linked to the fact that Paris holds the European Union's rotating presidency, diplomats say.

In Paris, an official said there had been no sign yet of any Chinese boycott of French products. The EU is China's biggest trade partner and supermarket chain Carrefour employs tens of thousands of people in China and is the biggest purchaser of Chinese goods in France.

French companies were subjected to Chinese boycotts and demonstrations earlier this year after the Paris leg of the Olympic torch relay was disrupted by anti-China protesters.

Earlier on Saturday, the Dalai Lama called for dialogue and compassion to solve the world's problems.

"Warfare failed to solve our problems in the last century, so this century should be a century of dialogue," he told delegates, including Walesa, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

The Dalai, who met Tusk privately on Saturday, praised Polish courage in resisting past oppression.

The 73-year-old monk is a popular figure in Poland, where some see in his struggle with China's communist authorities echoes of their own battles under Walesa against Soviet-backed communist rule that ended in 1989.

The Dalai Lama fled into exile in 1959 after a failed insurrection against Chinese rule in Tibet, occupied by People's Liberation Army troops from 1950.

(Additional reporting by Francois Murphy in Paris)

Xinhua: Sarkozy's meeting with Dalai Lama an unwise move detrimental to Sino-French ties

2008-12-07 01:13:10

BEIJING, Dec. 6 (Xinhua) -- Despite China's repeated persuasions and representations, French President Nicolas Sarkozy insisted on meeting Saturday with the Dalai Lama, who is on a Europe tour.

This development is indeed an unwise move which not only hurts the feelings of the Chinese people, but also undermines Sino-French ties.

The Dalai Lama has long been engaged in activities worldwide to split China. He can by no means conceal the separatist nature of his activities no matter what by whatever disguise and whatever florid rhetoric he may use.

The Chinese government and people firmly oppose Dalai's activities aimed at splitting China conducted in any country under any disguise. They also stand firmly against any foreign leader's contact with Dalai in any form.

The Tibet issue involves China's sovereignty and territorial integrity and bears on China's core interests.

The French side, however, in total disregard of China's grave concern and the general situation of Sino-French relations, took an opportunistic, rash and short-sighted approach to handling the Tibet issue.

Just as the British newspaper "Financial Times" put it, Sarkozy wanted to maintain dialogue with China on economy and trade, but meanwhile believed this should not keep him from raising the Tibet issue.

During his China visit in August this year, Sarkozy said that France has always regarded China as an important strategic partner since General Charles de Gaulle (1890-1970) became French president.

He also expressed his willingness to further enhance relations between the two nations. With Sarkozy's words still ringing clear, what the French side is doing to this effect can hardly be convincing.

With the vision and courage of a great statesman, General de Gaulle opened the door of friendly relations between the two countries 44 years ago, making France the first among Western countries to forge diplomatic ties with the People's Republic of China.

Commenting on his decision, de Gaulle said that it was based on the ever-increasing influence of facts and reason. His insightful remarks still offers much for thought even for today.

Over the past five decades and more, the development of Sino-French ties has been sound on the whole. The occasional setbacks in bilateral ties were caused by France's attempts to play the human rights card with China and its arms sales to Taiwan in infringement of China's core interests of national reunification.

Thanks to joint efforts by both sides, the past years have seen sound development of Sino-French ties, with exchanges and cooperation in all fields further growing in depth. To take history as a mirror and promote Sino-French French all-round strategic partnership to new heights has become a common aspiration of the two peoples.

In today's world, both multi-polarity and economic globalization keep developing. China shares wide-ranging common interests with the EU countries, including France, and developing and strengthening China-EU ties is in the interests of both sides and the world at large.

At present, the European Union and China should cooperate more closely to tackle global challenges, such as the ongoing global financial crisis, food and energy security and climate change.

Unfortunately, however, the unwise move by France, the rotating EU presidency, on the Tibet issue has not only undermined Sino-French ties, but has also obstructed the process of dialogue, exchange and cooperation between China and the EU.

Obviously, the cause and responsibility for the current problematic situation of relations between China and France are not on the part of China. The Chinese government has reiterated time and again that China has all along valued its ties with France and will, as always, work hard to enhance the long-term sound development of Sino-French relations.

French leaders should, on the basis of facts and reason, show far-sighted political wisdom, honor their commitment and take effective measures to further the overall development of French-China relations. Otherwise, they can only hurt the feelings of the Chinese people and undermine the foundation of cooperation between the two countries. The French side is held fully responsible in such a scenario.

12/7/2008 3:15:35 AM

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